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The Varieties of Religious Experience Lectures 8-10

 

The Varieties of Religious Experience Lectures 8-10

Lecture 8- The Divided Self

Now we are beginning to see heterogeneous personalities with the psychological temperament of twice borns as being one of discordancy  and an incompletely unified intellectual constitution. With examples like someone crying on the outside at a funeral but oddly laughing on the inside. With such pathologies the self unification becomes a primary concern. Saint Augustine was a good example; divided by two wills, one new and one old. But self unity does not have to be religious rather it is to cure this original inner incompleteness; while religion however, is an extreme relief. With some more secular examples such as going from religion to skeptical of it, or moral problems to freedom(s), or even stale to passionate (p175). By religion to skepticism there are certainly counter conversion cases with an example of a person's revelation being unable to accept a God permitting such evil in their world. We also saw odd examples where minimal stimulus causes an entire new shift in mental equilibrium.

Now concerning a unification there is two ways about it: one, gradual and two, sudden, with examples of Bunyan and Tolstoy both being gradual. Now bringing James to Tolstoy’s recovery, of whom perceived his conviction of life as meaningless. And so, he aims to solve this by analyzing finite term through finite term - certainly an indeterminate probability. And this becomes the extent of the intellect unless irrational sentiments of faith bring it to the infinite, “believe in the infinite as common people do and life grows possible again” (p184). Wherever human life has walked faith has been necessary for living, the faith to continue on. By Tolstoy, “the idea of an infinite God, of the divinity of the soul, of the union of men's actions with God -- these are ideas elaborated in the infinite secret depths of human thought” (p184). We also get the story of Bunyan’s recovery; going from peace to horrid stress a solid 20 times a day he was gradually regaining his relations with God. Until finally feeling one with the divine; he perceives himself in heaven and felt like chains had dropped off of him. In spite of his neurotic stressors, he became a minister, and eventually reflected in the belief that one “must be beaten, must beg, suffer hunger…” (p188). And in his experiential resolutions he expressed an exuding of ecstasy over Bunyan’s soul.

Lecture 9- Conversion

Conversion signifies such unifications, one afterwards with a more superior and pragmatic consciousness; generally, an entirely changed reality. We get an example of Stephen Bradley in which a phenomenal experience converted them back to a strong religious regard. They are possessed by the Holy Ghost and express a near infinite happiness but then feel unworthy of it however, afterwards it always stays with them and then lives for God. Concerning the psychology of such character changes; human aims, ideas, and objects form diverse independent systems (p193) with each possible at awakening related excitements. Now, when a single concept consumes one’s conscious attention, then all other ideas may then be excluded from consideration. Thus, commonly becoming a transformation, “the completest ways in which the self can be divided” (p194). By the shifting of emotional interests, such excitements make for a new “habitual center of personal energy” (p196), a new centering of our conscious awareness. Centering's depend relatively upon the individual and defines them. With ideas being both either central or peripheral. In these regards converted would mean the centering of one's peripheral ideas. But how do we represent this? Psychology has no ‘how’ or ‘why’ for such excitement shifts. Maybe it is excitement’s heat and also liveliness that helped to operate ideas within our field of consciousness. Thus, taking the mind as a collection of ideas altering with experience and age, often weakening. But with new perspectives one may experience a ‘massive shock’ and organic alteration with the center of gravity adjusting to an attitude more stable (p197).

James highly enjoys Starbuck’s relation of conversion to moral ripening; it is common that many factors rest within subconscious as “motives habitually ripen in silence” (p198), and often extreme emotions precede such adjustments. Starbuck shows a parallel between conversion and young evangelicals as a growth into larger spiritual life as a normal phase in adolescence for humans (p199). For all these people, generally the senses of incompleteness, sin, and concerns of afterlife centered around them, when afterwards they are left with a wider outlook on life (p199). Concerning psychologist Leuba’s ideals, religious theology is submissive to moral aspects. By this, defining religion as, “emotions springing from the sense of sin and its release” (P201) with one needing higher help. By this we have extreme examples being Bunyan and Alline.

Now conversion is not just a typical process for everyone, and for some conversion is impossible. Certainly, within such conversions so far there has been particularly distinct elements, and some people could never center such factors; either as unable to imagine the invisible or a commitment to language counter to religious regards (p204). With some, inhibitions are never to be overcome. With all thus far James argues two forms of conversion: volitional (gradual), and two, self surrender, or when one’s will can no longer help and only acts as an inhibition, then self surrender becomes necessary. James notes his appreciation of the ideal of subconscious incubation of motives; within a volitional gradual conversion there are always critical points for advancing forward. And remarkable factors from one subconscious maturing express themselves in fruits with time.

Now, ending this first lecture of conversion, James aims to address our topic in regards to its importance within religious history. By this, just telling another to cheer up has always had a distaste for being superficial and one cannot stretch will as such. James argues only two ways to truly rid such undesired feelings: one, a negativity so incredibly powerful to break us, or two, the complete exhaustion of willpower and thus giving up and not caring anymore. With the ego of a sick soul faith will not allow passage, but with a faint of the prior, then the ladder can operate (p212) and many times these result as sudden conversions.

Lec 10- Conversion Concluded

We get examples of sudden conversion; one of Alline stuck within horrid experiences. They then call for God and get a sudden appearance, hear scripture within their head, and is then immersed within an experience of ‘immortal love’. This goes on for another 30 minutes and then he dedicates himself to preaching. And afterwards to him the Bible now appears nearly 100% different. He aims to share such redeeming love with everyone and never regains his discarded ‘carnal pleasures’. We also get an example of a drunk of whom after conversion cannot possibly find a craving for liquor. Thus, with a complete disregard to finite appetites being a strong fruit of conversion. Such sudden conversion is essential to many but certainly not all, such as Protestants or Catholics. Where Christ’s gift is open to be accepted if acted upon. Within surrendering, higher powers flood in and conceive radical new natures, certainly suggestion and imitation play strong roles in excitability. Now could regenerative healing be a natural phenomenon with divinity within its fruits? (230). If so, then in concerning original causation, divine or not it still arrives through human beings.

Now, as we saw prior many conversions arise from a subconscious incubation, thus, ‘field of consciousness’ is a better expression for the collective total of one’s mental states. Some fields we want mentally narrowed down, while with others we need a wider array of truths to view. By this it may even be easier for one to see the divine relations to remote objectivities. Generally, we consider those with vast fields geniuses in their own right. Field perspectives help guide our actions and attentions thus roughly outlining the line between actual and potential. Typically there is no regard of anything existing further for individuals however James argues counter to that; there is a field beyond general perceptual conscious and subconscious. One containing memories, thoughts, and feelings but certainly still with one’s conscious elements thus calling this the field of the subliminal, one which helps illuminate many religious phenomenon. And certainly, people can develop such ultra marginal lives and thus normal fields of consciousness may be regularly affected without the individuals questioning of the source thus forming unintended actions or inhibitions of obsessive ideas or even hallucinations (p234). With individuals speaking and writing automatically we get the term for this as being Automatism; sensory, motor, emotional, or intellectual affections due to ‘uprushes’ of energies into normal consciousness via the subliminal regards of the mind (p234). With examples within post hypnotic suggestion in which people can function regardless of general consciousness. We also commonly see this within multiple personality disorders (dissociative identity disorder), where entirely different lives exist in memories and form as parasites. General psychology would tend to agree that to alter or remove such subconscious memories, the individual will get well (p235). Thus, their symptoms would be automatisms, or interpreting the unknown as the known, and the subliminal then becomes the mechanism to assume.

Now, James aims back towards instant conversions with experiences such as Alline and a few others commonly experiencing visions, extreme happiness, and higher control (p236). And it becomes tempting to classify with automatisms as being a psychological peculiarity via instant grace. One in which individuals possess a large region “in which mental work can go on subliminally” (p237), one in that, invasive experiences may be able to come into. So, what about resulting fruits? Well in disregarding the near superhuman Saints but rather the Saints of common people, teachers, preachers, etc., there is nothing supernatural separating them from normal people. Now to address those believing in a more non-natural reality of instant conversion, of whom generally, also note a lack of distinguishing features between converted and not. As visual and auditory hallucinations, melting emotions, and the sudden recalling of scripture is not exactly divine to them rather it is natural or even Satan imitating (p238). With a true witness of the spirit of a twice born only within the heart of a true child of God (p238); but this is certainly seen in numerous religions and even non religions. And certainly it is tough to distinguish religion as different from a generally exceptional degree of natural goodness. Thus, no space really separates orders of human excellence but that “generation and regeneration are matters of degree (p239). But certainly, such objective classifications may have been essential in conversions. As people differ relatively every life has different higher and lower limits. And when reaching the higher and living within their “highest center of energy, we may call ourselves saved” (p239). And in classifying humans with a grade of spiritual excellence James argues we find “natural men and converts both sudden and gradual in all classes” (p240); by this regenerative powers are not only religious but rather psychological. By psychology, if one were to pressure a converting influence on a subject that unites three factors: a strong emotional sensibility, automatism tendencies, and passive suggestibility - then you can probably predict a “sudden conversion, a transformation of the striking kind” (p241) and in going further we see near heroic individuals in which the impossible becomes possible. The personality is transformed with a new birth, with this being well said as sanctification, a topic for next lecture.

James now wants to aim with a few more remarks on peace and security within the hour of conversion. Now, concerning the subliminal, if one is not liable to their subconscious their conversion must be gradual to happen at all (p242); with a strong subliminal self, conversion would generally be instant. Again, James wants to note that none of this as psychological analysis dismisses divine relation per se but rather that, either God or not it comes from the human subliminal; if God were real, he would operate via the subliminal. Regardless, the values are within the fruits and merely transcendental experiences do not warrant longevity. Finally, concerning feelings within the hour of conversion we commonly see a recorded sense of higher control. We get an example, one with a person devoid of happiness, now believing their rationale and will diseased. Then, in remembering the holy ghost's promise, that it answers the needs of the soul, they learned its significance is by necessity. By this realization they then gained pure peace of thoughts, as believed by them, from a supernatural external; certainly an admirable factor within Protestant theology (p244).

 Now, in extremes of melancholy the self is bare with nothing thus redemption must either be free or a gift. And through Christ’s sacrifice we have such gift! We get a example of Luther, “God… is the God of the humble, the miserable… and those brought even to nothing” (p244); with God's nature thus giving sight to the blind, comfort for the disheartened, to help justify sinners, “to save the desperate and damned” (p245). By Luther, Christ died not in justifying the righteous but in the unrighteous “to make them the children of God” (p245). Thus, the more lost one is the more they exemplify the purpose of Christ’s sacrifice and its saving grace. With this part of Luther’s faith being within the belief that Christ’s work is done and the other part being an assurance of being saved; as by Leuba, Christ is not essential exactly but rather a joyous element easily available in other channels (p247). We get an example, where life's absurdity has reduced them to a narrow ego, causing breakdowns, and then finding themselves within a spiritual unity with God. To them, a faith in that unity turns into a moral unity, a faith-state. Thus, various dogmas gain objects of worship as “the ground of assurance here is not rational" (p247) as values lie in results of which often fit in a more noble Christ like regard; the more striking the affective experience then the easier it is to carry unsubstantiated notions (p247).

Now, James has a few remarks, he first wants to call faith states instead ‘states of assurance’, with certain characteristics such as a loss of worry and thus contentment with things as they are, and two, a sense of perceiving new truths not clear before, “the mysteries of life become lucid” (p248), and three, the world appears objectively changed. We get another example of Johnathan Edwards; post experience, his sense of divine things gradually grew, this also growing satisfaction. Calm divinity was seen within all things. Then, God appeared before him and he felt embraced in beauty and this persisted permanently as all things were now beautiful. To Edwards, even thunder, which used to give him fright. We get another example; this person is pleading for mercy and instantly receives feelings of forgiveness and a renewed state; old has passed and all has become new. “It was like entering a new world, a new state of existence… the woods were vocal with heavenly music... I wanted everybody to share in my joy” (p250). We get another example, an individual tries persistently to reach God and each prayer attempt creates a scary pressure as if hands are wrapped around his throat. And, feeling that if he did not move he would die. Until one day in reaction to this they hear an inner voice to follow their atonement. They then immediately submit for mercy even if to be strangled to death. Then, after coming to, they notice a crowd gathered around them praising God, felt the sun to shine with glory, and that beauty pervaded their soul. And then everything became new, even people they already knew. This example well exemplifies automatisms within typical means of “gospel propagation” (p250). Of which are generally seen as near miraculous proofs for God but this certainly divides natural opinions of causations.

Now James aims to address another automatism with special interests, human hallucinatory and near hallucinatory phenomenon psychology commonly calls photisms, with this possibly even relating to Saint Paul's blinding visions of heaven or Constantine’s cross seen in the sky (p251-252). We get examples of this in the form of luminosity. With an example of a light feeling to penetrate their soul; one in which the light feels to illuminate a dark concrete external room; one example where everything felt to resonate a ‘rainbow glory’; and other examples of metaphorical lights. Now, one of the most common elements within such phenomenal experiences is the “ecstasy of happiness produced” (p254). We get an example; a person has a vision with Christ before them and pours tears, washing Christ’s feet. Then feels a baptism from the Holy Ghost and, then penetrating their heart and soul, “massive waves of liquid love… no words can express the wonderful love” (p255) and that they cannot hold anymore or else they feel that it will kill them. They then plead for the love to calm as they do not fear death anymore.

Now, James aims to address one more regard, that being transiency or permanence of such instant conversions. As certainly many ‘backslidings’ and ‘relapses’ take place however, certainly the main experience itself is the most important part thus lapses persist within most of life's experiences. But revelatory experiences certainly form individual significances regardless of its duration. So, a short term conversion experience demonstrates to one a high point of the individual’s spiritual capacity as a reference point. Thus, backsliding does not matter much; “backslide cannot diminish, although persistence might increase it” (p257). Although thus far all James's examples have been permanent conversions we do still get examples from Starbuck with some cases, particularly evangelical, showing significant backslide. In this case 93% backslide. To Starbuck, conversions may be transient or permanent as relativities change but, concerning a conversion it generally brings a changed attitude towards life (p258); they stand to identify with traits regardless of a decline in religious enthusiasm.

--Seth Graves-Huffman

8 comments:

  1. “believe in the infinite as common people do"-- I don't know if WJ met a different variety of "common people" than I have, but in my experience they don't really address or ponder--or at least they don't talk about--"the infinite"... Nor do they dwell on what it means to be a finite and mortal being. Perhaps that WOULD make life "impossible" for them.

    My view: we're all "divided" by the competing pull to be functional members of society, students, employees, parents etc. on the one hand, and honest observers of life's brevity on the other. It's not a division that can be eliminated or healed, it can only be reckoned with and managed healthily or otherwise. But what healthy management looks like in practice, a good pragmatic pluralist should say, will depend on the individual in question.

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  2. "when a single concept consumes one’s conscious attention, then all other ideas may then be excluded from consideration"-- This is an aspect of "conversion" that ought to trouble converts more than it seems to. Excluding ideas from consideration is not, generally, the path to wisdom. What we should want, in the way of personal transformation, is a shift to a new "center of personal energy" that considers MORE ideas. Not less. But of course we should also want to distinguish between ideas that support health and happiness and those that subvert it, and only exclude the latter (after giving them due consideration). The evident frenzy of the conversion experience for most of those WJ discusses, though, seems to leave little space for such discretionary judgement. In general he applauds transformation, whatever its object, because it has "value for life"... but some transformations make the convert less sociable, less tolerant, more energized to pursue hostile, zealous, dogmatic personal (sometimes political) agendas. They can reinforce the "blindness" WJ deplores... and that leads not to a "larger spiritual life" but to a constriction of the spirit. In my experience, so do “emotions springing from the sense of sin"...

    "giving up and not caring anymore"-- WJ does seem to have a fondness for the "let go and let god" attitude of self-surrender I used to hear about from the Unity minister at my wife's church. It reminds me of the Taoist "trying not to try" approach, paradoxical but somehow effectively liberating for some. In the end, though, I don't think WJ really thinks we should "sacrifice" the self. But we should relax its cares. Moral holidays, again.

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  3. "personality is transformed with a new birth"-- often resulting in self-possession, happiness, a new sense of meaning and purpose... and the crucial thing about this is that such transformations of personality need NOT take religious form, though that is the focus of these lectures.

    "if God were real, he would operate via the subliminal"-- Why? Why wouldn't God want to be seen in the light of day, unambiguously and explicitly? The notion that the experience of the divine must be covert and interior seems to function mainly as a way of insulating religious experience from skeptical critique. If God really wanted converts, wouldn't He just come out and show himself, or offer palpable evidence of His reality? But of course that might invalidate a certain conception of "faith" as belief in things unseen etc., and as Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy says might cause God to "vanish in a puff of logic"...

    "a loss of worry and thus contentment with things as they are"-- an attitude the meliorist/pragmatist should always regard with suspicion, as it might induce complacency in fighting the good fight to save the world. Seeing "calm divinity within all things" is surely a delusion, from the meliorist perspective. But "a changed attitude towards life" is the great catalyst of action to induce amelioration, for however long it lasts. Longer is better.

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  4. Questions on conversion etc. from last Spring's Experience course...

    VRE IX, X-Conversion; VSE 7-The Religious Experience; CPW Seven-The Search for Intelligent Life on Earth; episode 7 video. Report: Lisa

    What do you think of Céline Leboeuf's preference for WJ (over Tolstoy and Camus)? What do you think of John McDermott's melioristic answer?
    Are there any conversion accounts in these lectures that you find particularly interesting, familiar, or (contrarily) bizarre?
    Have you experienced a significant (de-) conversion? What precipitated it? How did it change you?
    Do you interpret "soul" in an "ontological sense" (as naming an existing and self-subsistent entity) or do you prefer to describe it in some other "phenomenal" terms (like Buddhists and Humians)? 195 What do you think of Michael Shermer's definition of soul as a pattern of information"? (See "The soul of science" above)
    How would you characterize "the habitual center of [y]our dynamic/personal energy"? 195-7. Can you specify "particular experiences, new perceptions, sudden shocks" (etc.) that have changed it? Were they conversion (or de-conversion) experiences?
    Must the religious sense always begin as a "feeling of unwholeness, of moral imperfection, of sin" etc.? 201
    Can one love both Jesus and whiskey? 203
    Is "self-surrender" the same thing as ego-abandonment? 211. Doesn't a person need a strong sense of self, in order to embrace a new dynamic center of personal energy?
    What in human nature might account for our "liability to sudden and complete conversion"? 230
    If it's a mark of genius to have "magnificent inclusive views" of past and future, is a present-oriented focus--so often lauded as the epitome of a spiritual sensibility--too narrow? 231
    Especially for Gary: why should Methodists object to "instantaneous grace" etc.? 237
    Does WJ have a point about "Crump"? fn239-40
    Is waking life an obstacle to "higher spiritual agencies"? 242. (And btw, have you seen Richard Linklater's Waking Life?--see below***)

    https://rationalitymt.blogspot.com/2023/02/questions-mar-14.html

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    1. Questions pertaining to the lectures on "Saintliness"...

      Some of these aspirant saints seem depressingly sad in their contempt for life as they've known it. Can you appreciate levity of the Python variety, in response? (see below*)
      Any comment on Lightman's Transcendent Brain, Pollan's remarks about ego-dissolution, or WJ's "filmiest of screens"? (see below). Do you agree that spiritual experiences are "as natural as hunger or love or desire, given a brain of sufficient complexity” and that "atoms and molecules can give rise to the very persuasive experience of a self, of a soul"?
      Are you a philosopher? How many "signs" do you detect in yourself? (See 9 signs below)
      Do you think "our differing susceptibilities of emotional excitement" are a matter of personal temperament and a "gift of nature"? Can we change them? 261
      Are you "earnest" in the indicated sense? ("willingness to live with energy...") 264
      What do you think WJ means by "steam-pressure chronically driving the character in the ideal direction" so that "we float and soar and sing"? 266
      If "the saintly character" is that "for which spiritual emotions are the habitual center of the personal energy," do you know any saintly people? 271 Do you know anyone who particularly embodies any of the attributes mentioned on 272-4?
      Do you ever feel "enfold[ed]" by "the goodness and beauty of existence"? 274
      Where else, besides theism, Stoicism, Hinduism, and Buddhism (as mentioned by WJ) can the spiritual "affections" (humility, charity etc.) be found? 279
      Do you love your enemies? Or try to? How does that go? 283
      Is there something "pathetic and fatalistic" about "tranquil-mindedness"? 285-6
      How is the abandonment of self-responsibility "independent of philosophies" and anterior to theologies? 289
      Are you one of those who needs "some roughness, danger... some 'no! no!' in your life? 299 Like what, for example?
      "Her love of pain and suffering was insatiable... to live a single day without suffering would be intolerable." 310 Is such self-loathing not itself contemptible, or at least pitiable?
      Do you value and seek "poverty of spirit"? If not, do you consider that a personal defect or a preference for an un-saintly quality of spirit? 315
      COMMENT?: "...one must have 'been there' oneself... One can never fathom an emotion... by standing outside of it." 325

      https://rationalitymt.blogspot.com/2023/03/questions-mar-21.html

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    2. More on saintliness... https://rationalitymt.blogspot.com/2023/03/questions-mar-28-from-varieties-of.html

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    3. *The Monty Python reference:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=z-iWe4qXUD8&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Frationalitymt.blogspot.com%2F&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo

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  5. From Lec VIII-
    fn-“Our young people are diseased with the theological problems of original sin, origin of evil, predestination, and the like. These never presented a practical difficulty to any man—never darkened across any man's road, who did not go out of his way to seek them. These are the soul's mumps, and measles, and whooping-coughs,” etc. Emerson: “Spiritual Laws.”

    "[inner unity and peace] may come through altered feelings, or through altered powers of action; or it may come through new intellectual insights, or through experiences which we shall later have to designate as “mystical.” However it come, it brings a characteristic sort of relief; and never such extreme relief as when it is cast into the religious mould. Happiness! happiness! religion is only one of the ways in which men gain that gift."

    "the new birth may be away from religion into incredulity; or it may be from moral scrupulosity into freedom and license; or it may be produced by the irruption into the individual's life of some new stimulus or passion, such as love, ambition, cupidity, revenge, or patriotic devotion. In all these instances we have precisely the same psychological form of event,—a firmness, stability, and equilibrium succeeding a period of storm and stress and inconsistency. In these non-religious cases the new man may also be born either gradually or suddenly."

    " 'The Heaven that I have within myself is as attractive as any that has been promised or that I can imagine; and I am willing to let the growth lead where it will'..."

    From Lec IX-
    "When I say “Soul,” you need not take me in the ontological sense unless you prefer to; for although ontological language is instinctive in such matters, yet Buddhists or Humians can perfectly well describe the facts in the phenomenal terms which are their favorites. For them the soul is only a succession of fields of consciousness: yet there is found in each field a part, or sub-field, which figures as focal and contains the excitement, and from which, as from a centre, the aim seems to be taken."

    "What brings such changes about is the way in which emotional excitement alters. Things hot and vital to us to-day are cold to-morrow. It is as if seen from the hot parts of the field that the other parts appear to us, and from these hot parts personal desire and volition make their sallies. They are in short the centres of our dynamic energy, whereas the cold parts leave us indifferent and passive in proportion to their coldness."

    "It makes a great difference to a man whether one set of his ideas, or another, be the centre of his energy; and it makes a great difference, as regards any set of ideas which he may possess, whether they become central or remain peripheral in him. To say that a man is “converted” means, in these terms, that religious ideas, previously peripheral in his consciousness, now take a central place, and that religious aims form the habitual centre of his energy."

    "Some persons, for instance, never are, and possibly never under any circumstances could be, converted. Religious ideas cannot become the centre of their spiritual energy. They may be excellent persons, servants of God in practical ways, but they are not children of his kingdom."

    "the nature which is spiritually barren may admire and envy faith in others, but can never compass the enthusiasm and peace which those who are temperamentally qualified for faith enjoy. All this may, however, turn out eventually to have been a matter of temporary inhibition."

    fn "self-surrender” and “new determination,” though seeming at first sight to be such different experiences, are “really the same thing. Self-surrender sees the change in terms of the old self; determination sees it in terms of the new.”

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